2025 Rule change discussion

fast316

EMRA Executive Member
Ok, it's that time of year! We all put our heads together and think of ways to make the racing in this club even better for everyone by proposing and discussing rule changes. The proposals here will be brought to the AGM Dec. 7th, discussed again and voted on there.

A few important notes for proposals in this thread:
- PLEASE keep all the proposals and comments positive and constructive.
- There is no voting in this thread. Voting takes place in person at the AGM.
- Before posting brush up on our current rules and read the rule book (while you are at it read our bylaws and policy manuals). If you haven't read the current rule book you should not be posting until having done so. Those can all be found here: https://www.emra.ca/exec-meeting-minutes/
- Please make sure your proposals are informed. Ask yourself, do we have this rule already? How can it be implemented? Include how exactly it can be implemented in your proposal.
- Please make sure your proposals are clear. Use all your words, use specific and quantifiable examples whenever possible. Quote the current rule book if possible.
- Please avoid making rule changes that only benefit you, or take away all your nearest competition.
- The EMRA has been around for over 20 years now, built on fair exciting racing. The rules have evolved over the years and most successful new rule changes are more evolution of existing rules than revolution of totally new ones.

I think we have a great club. I can't wait to see what members have in mind.
 

Fireman

Well-Known Member
I would like to propose a change to the lightweight superbike class.

The current rules allow the Motards to compete against the lightweight bikes such as the KTM 390, R3, Kawi 300 and 400 that are all 40hp motorcycles. The Current crop of motards have evolved into 65hp bikes and really are very nimble as well.

This also allows the Ninja 400RR which makes 70bhp in stock form

The current rules read:
Lightweight superbike
-Twin and Single cylinder, 4-stroke motorcycles up to 500cc
-3 or more cylinder, 4-stroke motorcycles up to 400cc
-Twin and Single cylinder, 2-stroke motorcycles up to 250cc

I would like to propose that the Motards and the Ninja 400RR (the only inline 4 bike that fits into that catagory that I know of) move to the middleweight class. They would be competing against bikes that are of similar power like the R7 (70hp)

Alternatively the motards could be scored seperately as not to upset the schedule which I understand could be a issue for riders that are doing multiple classes
 

Bergy

New Member
I would like to suggest some clarification around promotions within section 1.2.

Reason for suggested changes: Arbitrary conditions for promotions and to separate monetary and time investment from rider ability.

Current rules:

2. Advancement or demotion between rider classification is at the discretion of EMRA Executive. Intermediate promotions may happen at any time. Expert promotions are only considered at the end of each race season.
The EMRA Executive sets times and guidelines for expert promotion. The EMRA Executive will have final say on all promotions:
a. Expert Promotions – EMRA Executive will consider all intermediate racers, especially those finishing in the top 5 of their race competitions. The rider must also show valid experience, limited number of crashes and good character.


Proposed change:

2. Advancement or demotion between rider classifications is at the discretion of the EMRA Executive. Intermediate promotions may occur at any time, while expert promotions are only considered at the end of each race season. The EMRA sets the cut-off lap times for expert promotion. The EMRA Executive will have the final say on all promotions.

a. Expert Promotions – The EMRA Executive will consider all intermediate racers for promotion. To be promoted, a rider must meet the following minimum requirements:


  • Completed at least 10 races in the intermediate class
  • Maintained a limited number of crashes
  • Consistent lap times (specific times TBD, possibly something around F108 cut-off times) at Rad Torque Raceway and/or Stratotech Raceway
  • Demonstrated good character

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From reviewing the rules set by CSBK, CVMA, and the CRA, it is evident that they all have variations regarding promotions between classes. Most suggest that promotions can occur at any time and are not limited to the end of the season. However, from discussions with members of our club, it appears that mid-season promotions from intermediate to expert have previously led to excessive crashes. Therefore, this might not be a good idea. Other clubs also have a minimum point accumulation requirement, which we could consider. However, this could undermine the objective of basing promotions on rider ability rather than an arbitrary time and financial commitment to racing.

Please provide feedback as I'm not sure exactly how to define rider ability.
 
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fast316

EMRA Executive Member
I would like to propose the following change to the Riders Meeting rules, currently there isn't really a penalty for missing riders meeting on practice days. Riders meetings are critically important and all riders must attend the meeting. The rule currently states:

2.3 Riders’ Meeting
1. All riders entered in any EMRA event must attend the Riders’ Meeting. Riders that miss the meeting will
NOT be allowed onto the track before speaking with an EMRA Executive and will be gridded at the back of
their class.

I propose to change it to:

2.3 Riders’ Meeting
1. All riders entered in any EMRA event must attend the Riders’ Meeting. Riders that miss the meeting will NOT be allowed onto the track before speaking with an EMRA Executive in charge of holding riders meetings.The penalty for missing riders meeting on practice days will be the offending rider's 3 fastest lap times will not be counted towards any race class with qualifying times and will be gridded at the back of all race day races that do not use qualifying times. The penalty for missing race day riders meeting is gridding at the back of all races.
 

Nevets

EMRA Executive Member
I want to propose the following rules changes to clean up and clarify a few rules dealing with the endurance race.


Existing rule:
6.5.5 Start light procedure is same as regular EMRA races (see Section 2.7.10).

Proposed rule:
6.5.5 Start light procedure is same as regular EMRA races (see Section 2.7.10) but will use a flag to signal the start as per Section 3.



Proposed new rule:
6.5.6 In the event of a red flag, the race restart procedure is the same as described here in section 6.5, but grid positions will be based on the running order at the time the red flag was called.



Existing rule:
6.4 Team Relay, bullet 4 Tire changes and refueling must only be done in the team’s hot pit area while teammate is
racing.

Proposed rule:
6.4 Team Relay, Team members may not touch any bikes during the 15 minute time penalty (no tires changes, refueling, or any other work on the bike(s)).
 

Nevets

EMRA Executive Member
I am proposing to delete the following rule from the rule book.

Existing rule:
8.1.3 Championship points for each rider are counted from their highest scoring results for a number of events equal to the number of events that were included in the original season schedule published at the beginning of the year. For example, if the original season schedule has 6 rounds, and 2 rounds get added to the schedule later, only the top 6 races from each rider are counted for points for each championship. The
EMRA will only accept another club’s points towards any EMRA race class championship at the discretion of the Executive.

Alternative proposal:
8.1.3 Championship points for each rider are counted from their highest scoring results for a number of events equal to the number of events that were included in the original season schedule published at the beginning of the year. Riders may also score points at the CMRA (Calgary Motorcycle Roadracing Association) race rounds, if they do then their lowest scoring rounds in excess of the original schedule will be dropped. For example, if the original season schedule has 6 rounds, and a rider participates in 2 rounds with the CMRA, only the top 6 races for that rider are counted for points for each class championship. Dropped rounds would not count toward any championship, overall club champion (blue plate), or team championship.




The first version of Rule 8.1.3 was added to the rule book for the 2021 season after an additional round was added to make up for race rounds that were cancelled in 2020 due to COVID. The rule has changed each year, with this year being the first real opportunity for the exec to add another clubs race rounds to our championship. The exec discussed the opportunity at length, and ultimately decided not to, for a variety of reasons. One of the reasons was the short notice for racers to add an additional weekend to their calendar.

If the membership agrees that we are not interested in counting rounds from other clubs towards our club championship, then I think we should remove this rule from the rulebook.

However, if the membership is interested in counting the CMRA weekend towards EMRA championships, then I would like to see us agree on it now so that everyone has fair warning in advance that this will be happening.
 

Logan

Member
I would like to propose the divergence of Light and Middleweight races.
As the Middleweight class grows in numbers and skill the lap time gap between Lightweight and Middleweight bikes has increased. Closing speeds when lapping riders has allowed for conditions to be sufficient for a potential on track occurrence.
 

Kingra

New Member
Proposed alteration to 5.3 & 5.5 for the 600 Superbike/Supersport class to change the maximum displacement for 3-cylinder & Twin-cylinder motorcycles from 680cc and 750cc up to 890cc.

This would allow the newer next-gen supersport models (R9, V2) to compete with the more traditional 600s all of which share similar power figures.

Edit:
Proposed alteration to 5.3 & 5.5
-Ducati 848
to
-Ducati 848, Yamaha R9, 2025+ Ducati Panigale V2
 
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DSmith

New Member
The 890cc number also allows 150hp MV Agusta F3s so that may be hard to get support for. As an alternative for 5.3 and 5.5 just change

-Ducati 848
to
-Ducati 848, Yamaha R9, 2025+ Ducati Panigale V2

765cc triples could be debated separately, or whether to add those bikes (Triumph Daytona Moto2 and Street Triple) individually. I think unfortunately for middleweight and lightweight classes a list of approved motorcycles may be the only way forward eventually if there's a demand to race new models.

I just want to mention for anyone trying to come up with changes to LW/MW Superbike rules, the motards themselves are actually pretty big underdogs to 250 GP bikes that are currently slotted into Lightweight Superbike while potentially performing similar to a 600.
 
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fast316

EMRA Executive Member
Existing rule:
2.8 Procedures for Stops and Restarts
1. When a race is stopped with two laps or less completed, a complete restart is required using original grid positions.

Proposed rule:
2.8 Procedures for Stops and Restarts
1. When a race is stopped with two laps or less completed, a complete restart is required using original grid positions. The lap count for the restarted race will be reduced by 2 laps.

Our daily schedule is tight, we finish behind schedule more often than not. To make up time throughout the day we cut laps off future races that day. I think it is more fair to automatically cut two laps off the race causing the delay.
 

Linda Moebes

New Member
Existing rule:
2.8 Procedures for Stops and Restarts
1. When a race is stopped with two laps or less completed, a complete restart is required using original grid positions.

Proposed rule:
2.8 Procedures for Stops and Restarts
1. When a race is stopped with two laps or less completed, a complete restart is required using original grid positions. The lap count for the restarted race will be reduced by 2 laps.

Our daily schedule is tight, we finish behind schedule more often than not. To make up time throughout the day we cut laps off future races that day. I think it is more fair to automatically cut two laps off the race causing the delay.
I agree and did start doing this towards the end of the season. Would be good to have a hard and fast rule about this though.
 

Linda Moebes

New Member
Existing rule:
2.8.7. If there are two separate red flags shown in a Novice race, the race will be stopped and called final at the second red flag.

Proposed rule:
2.8.7. If there are two separate red flags shown in any race, the race will be stopped and called final at the second red flag.

Rationale: same as for the proposed rule by @fast316 above. Red flags take up a lot of time, even if the incident is minor, resulting in laps being cut off races later in the day. If there are two red flags in a race, the race should automatically be called to save time, regardless of whether it is a Novice, Intermediate, or Expert race.
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Existing rule:
7.3.1.e. Passing under a waving yellow - the passing rider must recede back to previous position or be disqualified from that event. [...]

Proposed rule:
7.3.1.e. Passing under a waving yellow - the passing rider must surrender the place gained as soon as possible (they indicate this by lifting their hand and waving) or receive a 5 second penalty. If the infraction occurs during practice/qualifying the lap time for that rider will be deleted and not counted towards qualifying. [...]

Rationale: While I understand that passing under a waving yellow is a huge safety hazard, I have always viewed disqualification as too harsh a penalty for this infraction. Cutting the bus stop (see rule 7.3.1.c.) is technically also a safety hazard, however, the penalty for this infraction is only 3 seconds (for context, from my understanding, the bus stop was implemented to reduce the speed of riders going into C3 at Rad Torque). I think 5 seconds is a fair starting point but could be increased to 10 seconds to increase the severity of the penalty. Based on a quick google search, this is also the rule that MotoGP uses for passing under a waving yellow. Riders lifting their hand and waving to indicate that they are surrendering the position gained makes it clear not only to the passed rider but also corner marshals, race director, and/or spectators that the position was in fact relinquished.
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Proposed new rule:
Section 3 (Operational flags). Red & Waving Yellow Flag Together. Combination of the "Red Flag" rule and "Waving Yellow Flag" rule. The red and waving yellow flag are displayed in the corner station immediately preceding the race-ending incident(s) (the red flag will still be displayed as normal in all other corner stations).

Rationale: On a race day, racers are instructed to stop at the next safest corner station. To avoid slamming on the brakes, racers may proceed to the next corner station if they just happen upon a corner station displaying a red flag. Having a dual red/yellow flag communicates to riders to proceed with extreme caution in the section of the track where an incident occurred. This is especially important for track attacks where riders are to exit the track during a red flag (and could, for instance, come across a rider/bike laying in the middle of the track). The dual flags may also be displayed at tower to indicate that the ambulance has entered the track, and could potentially allow the ambulance to be released sooner because riders are immediately aware that track conditions have changed following the corner station displaying the dual flags and must proceed with extreme caution. This proposal is not to introduce anything novel, just to combine two existing rules to increase safety during a red flag incident. I would rather have this discussed as a rule change and added to the rule book to give riders a heads up, rather than experiment with it on a race day and cause confusion. I have on one occasion done this during an evening track attack and it was well received.
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Note: this next rule is only to be proposed if the rule proposal above (Red & Yellow Flag Together) passes.

Existing rule:
Section 3 (Operational flags). Red Flag. The race has been stopped. Reduce speed and proceed safely to the designated location. Do not exit the track unless specifically instructed to do so by a race official. In the event that rider misses one red flag station, the rider must stop safely at the next red flag station.

7.3.1.g. Failure to respond to a Black or Red Flag - penalty is at the discretion of the Race Director or Race Official.

Proposed rule:
Section 3 (Operational flags). Red Flag. The race has been stopped. Reduce speed and proceed safely to the tower in the hot pit lane. Do not exit the track unless specifically instructed to do so by a race official. Failure to respond to the red flag (i.e. exiting the track and entering the pits) may result in a penalty (this may not have to be explicitly stated since this is written in a different section of the rule book. Penalties could include being placed 1 position back on the grid on a restart, for example).

For clarity, "the track" includes the race surface and the hot pit lane. "Exiting the track" refers to exiting both the race surface and hot pit lane and entering the pits. Riders are to exit the racing surface and stop in the hot pit lane at the tower as per the proposed rule.

Rationale: IF the rule proposal above regarding a dual red/yellow flag system passes, making riders stop on track during a red flag is no longer necessary because riders are aware of where the red-flag causing incident is located, prompting them to proceed with extreme caution (especially in the case where the bike/rider is in the middle of the track). We would also no longer have to wait for riders to come to a complete stop before releasing the ambulance (as long as riders have at least reduced their pace significantly). Making riders come to a stop at the tower means that they are in a safe location (riders must proceed cautiously through the hot pits already and at Rad Torque many racers practice race starts so it is not unusual to come upon a stopped rider in the hot pits) and it allows race control to easily communicate with riders. In the past, directions from race control have not always been clearly understood by corner marshals, resulting in riders not going where they are supposed to (for example, to proceed directly to gate to head right back on track shortly or to proceed retro track, etc.), which results in lost time. We have also received complaints that stopping immediately on track can be hard on the bikes and cause them to overheat. While racers would still have to stop at the tower to receive directions from race control, they would receive at least a partial cool down lap, or be sent straight to pits without stopping if indicated by race control. Additionally, having riders proceed off track could prevent incidents resulting from racers stopping in an unsafe location on track (especially if they do not stop at a designated corner station) or piling into each other if a racer decides to slam on the brakes, which has frequently been used as an argument against the current red flag procedure. The proposed rule is used by CSBK and MotoGP. The downside to the proposed red flag procedure is that it would be too unsafe to send the ambulance retro track and it may elevate hazards to the racers still on track and to the racers involved in an incident if racers fail to slow down/proceed cautiously in the section of the track under a red/yellow flag (in this case, greater penalties may be given). I would not feel comfortable proposing this rule if we do not have some way to communicate with riders about where incidents are on track, especially if they are severe.
 

Bronti

New Member
I would like to propose a rule change to section 5.3 and 5.5.

The current rule says for 600 SuperSport and 600 SuperBike, that 3 cylinder motorcycles with a displacement of 680CC are permitted. My request is that be increased to 890CC to allow the Yamaha R9 into the class.
 

Parker08

EMRA Executive Member
Staff member
I propose that the minimum age requirement for Senior Open be lowered back to 35. (Current minimum age for this race is 40.)

Last year and in 2021 we increased the minimum age for Senior Open from 35 to 40 and both times, race entries dropped significantly compared to the previous year.
In 2024, average number of entries declined from from 21 to 11; and in 2021 race entries dropped from 30 to 23.

This rule goes back and forth almost every year since we first increased the minimum age in 2021. But Senior Open is usually one of our biggest grids, and arguably one of the most fun races. Keeping the minimum age at 40 is detrimental to the club and is the opposite of promoting racing.
 

Joe Preston

Member
Im not sure if this would be classified as a rule change or not, but I would like to see a general director spot changed to an actual "airfence director" position, it's a position that takes a lot of work physically but there is a lot of work behind the scenes that take place also,it wouldn't limit the position to be only air fence duties , the position would take on other duties as well, just air fence takes up a majority of the time be for the race weekend starts and is always the last and longest job of the end of a race weekend when air fence needs to be removed off track.
 
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